I was hoping we would get Ninja Commando.

At least there was 2 vc games were released this week. I hope this will continue.

good releases

Meh. Not my cup of tea, but like 7th Lutz said, we got 2 games, and one of them is not Neo Geo!
See you next week, we'll comment on Burger Time and Art of Fighting 2! (Or maybe just AoF2)

hhmmm...
okay duo, but this week I'm waiting for the nintendo conference at E3 tomarrow.

Where's my Mario RPG?

I just got Game & Watch Gallery 4, so I'm getting back into this stuff. Perhaps I'll get it just to see the differences between the G&W version...

Not bad. Not sure if I will get them but I like that they released all of the DK trilogy. That gets my hopes up for other series with games that havn't been released yet. (Mario, Sonic, MegaMan)

waiting for this news thread to erupt hehe

Wait, I just noticed "Stanley the Bugman, who never made an appearance in another game since" in the article. I'm guessing you meant as a playable character, right? He has made at least three other appearances: The G&W version, which is quite different, and in Super Smash Bros. Melee as a trophy. His game appears as a mini-game in Wario Ware Touched as well. I think there was one more...

Good.
Maybe I'll go spend my $10-20 on drugs instead.
Or bubblegum.

This week is honestly better than I expected, considering E3 tomorrow. Though I never cared for Donkey Kong 3, its nice that the NES trilogy is finally all on the VC.

Didn't know there was a third Donkey Kong game...

Yeah, well spotted! Stanley was in a minigame in both WarioWare Twisted & Touched!

Here's a hint: if you have Animal Crossing, you can get this for free with either a password, or if you win a monthly in-game raffle.

Stanley also appeared as the main character in the G&W game Greenhouse. He got around a bit.

Let the idiotic whining... commence!

Well, at least I don't have to swipe cards through the old E-reader anymore. Guess I'll finally pick up F-Zero X and SMB2 while I'm at it.

There probably won't be much whining. We did get a non-NeoGeo title for once, though there is another one up there.

You'll probably get AoF2 next week for sure. Along with, perhaps, Megaman. Still, I'm glad the NES Donkey Kong trilogy is complete.

Another week of crap. I am disappointed as this is E3 week and you would think they would bring out SOMETHING worth purchasing...

Why would E3 bring great releases? No one is bying them anyway, they are reading or are present in E3.

Oh cool... A decent week indeed =D

donkey kong 3,immediate download!

At least we got a Nintendo game, although it's not that good, but it is a classic. I have a gut feeling Mega Man is around the corner...

Remember just because Donkey Kong is in a game title doesn't mean it's a great game. Donkey Kong 3 is a perfect example.

Niether of these games appeal to me but I am still happy to see more than a single game released. Also it's nice to see a non Neo Geo game there as well. I'm curious, though, about the TG16 games that were suppose to come out this month. Three games but only two Mondays left... I guess they plan to release two in one single update. Maybe this is a sign of better things to come. At least I hope it is anyway.

Slangman is right. It's a DK game, but it's not good. Also, Mike, it's not really a classic, either. It's a pretty bad tack-on to the series that most people don't know about. Still, it's one of those NES-Arcade style games that some people really enjoy.

I'm not complaining - I actually like weeks like this - I'm just waiting for the hilarious SMRPG Mega Man etc. comments. Oh ho ho ho ho!

Decent, maybe vc is starting to turn around.

Yawn. At least we got another mediocre NES game out of the way. Eventually Nintendo will get to the good stuff, right?

@ Mike: At least we got a Nintendo game, although it's not that good, but it is a classic....

Well, unfortunately Mike, statements, simlar to the one above, are the ones that tend to piss off our european counterparts. They tend to think that North Americans will buy any game that they tend to be familiar with, and often ignore the hidden gems.

Unfortunately, this IS true to an extent

• Bio Miracle Bukette Upa
• Earthbound ( a few years back)
• The reason behind the enormous amount of Pokemon Ranch sales (although that is WiiWare), and the lack of sales for Toki Tori
• (insert endless amounts of neglected games here)

Now, although Europeans have tended not to neglect games/ gaming systems in the past, the European gaming market is rapidly changing from what the used to be (see WiiWareWorld article on topselling WiiWare games)

So, you can't really sterotype the North Americans for buying only the familiar titles, because Europeans are kinda doing the same thing, however, the North Americans in turn mustn't be pissed for a getting a non-Nintendo title, and being slightly happy when they do get one, even when it is most certainly absolute crap.

Lets hope this post isn't a repeat of Friday's VC release

Well, even though neither of these games really interest me, I like the fact that we finally got a nintendo game.( Even if we still got a neo geo game with it, which isn't a bad one.) Honestly, I think they are giving us good games so they could get us to support them during the console war @ E3 today.
Also, does any1 know where the E3 convention is being held and at what time the convention is starting?

Well, I had nothing to look forward to today. It's not that these are bad games, it's just that they never peaked my interest. Plus, I figured Super Fantasy Zone came out today, and I've been looking forward to that. Oh well, next week...

I'm glad there's two games for once. That way, the future seems just that much brighter for the people wanting great releases. With more games out of the way, other games have to come, right?

I'd rather snort pixy stix than bother with either of these lame titles.

@ Tides of Chaos: You are correct . If they get the lesser games that we don't want out of the way, they would have to give us better games or games that people are demanding be released on the virtual console, like the games people are demanding be released from the Nintendo Power: Most Demanded section.(See the King of Monsters post, # 56 ,that I made to see the games that people are demanding be released.)
Also, as a fun fact, did you know that Stanley is actually Mario's cousin? Pretty cool information, right?

@classicmike

"Honestly, I think they are giving us good games so they could get us to support them during the console war @ E3 today."

I can't speak for Ninja Commando, but Donkey Kong 3 is a big "so what." Honestly, I thought Nintendo had released all of their early run NES titles. How many more of these do we have to deal with? I want quality NES games. Where's Blaster Master?

"Also, does any1 know where the E3 convention is being held and at what time the convention is starting?"

It starts tonight, but we won't hear from Nintendo until tomorrow afternoon.

more crap

@ Classicmike

Really? I did think they looked similar

I have an idea for Nintendo: release ALL the potential VC titles at once. Then, feature two or three games per week to hilight what's already available. Any takers?

I was hoping to get Gley Lancer and maybe even some E3 surprise hit like Thunderforce 3/4 or Herzog 2. I'm also looking forward to Tetris 2 - Bombliss and Tetris 3 - Battle Gaiden - the best Tetris Games ever released (JP only).

@ Firebrand: To tell you the truth, after looking back at what I said about them giving us good games today so we can support them at E3 does make no sense actually right now.(Mainly because of that crappy food eating game we got today for the Wii Ware.)Also thanks for telling me what time the convention starts. Do you also know where it is being held?
@Terranigma: I know, it is a preety cool fact to know. Sadly, not a lot of people know Stanley because he was released in one game. Poor Stanley.

Wow. This actually isn't too bad of a week. Caught me by surprise.
I knew DK3 was just a matter of time, and Ninja Commando looked cool when I saw it in the European releases scedule. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Now maybe this week we'll have less conflict than we usually have.

And hey, at least the NEOGEO game we got isn't a fighter!

For some reason, my Wii Shop hasn't updated yet. WTH?

@Alfred. I hope we don't see a repeat of Friday either. Luckily Supermario, Rexy, and Demon 212 haven't found this page yet, so so far it seems like we're in the clear!

@Classicmike. Stanley is Mario's cousin? I did'nt know that. Where'd you find that out at?

Edit: Now my Shop channel's updated. Apparently it doesn't update till noon.

Stanley got drunk while on vacation in Hong Kong back in '86. Stumbled into a poorly lit, grungy Kowloon brothel and made a terrible choice. Research into HIV was still in its infancy at that time and although money was no issue (cousin Mario's pockets are deep) Stanley wasn't able to get the medication he needed to fight the infection.
R.I.P
Stanley Mario
"It was'a him, Stanley"

@classicmike: In years prior, E3 was always held at The Los Angeles Convention Center in California. Recently, E3's size has dropped off greatly into a much smaller event, so I'm not exactly sure if its still in the same arena. I'm pretty sure it still is held in Los Angeles, though.

Anyone know if WiiWare games will be there at E3, and will there (i imagine so) be coverage from here?

@classicmike

E3 is being held in Los Angeles, CA. at the Los Angeles Convention Center.

I think E3 is "press" only this year but its in L.A.
I don't think Ninty has much going on there so I'm not holding my breath on that. Yay wii got 2 vc games this week!!!
I agree with post #40 not a bad idea... Ninty should have done that a long time ago...
And how does getting the lessor quality games out of the way create consumer satisfaction??? I have not been satisfied with my wii for a while now...
If E3 does not blow me away with some huge surprise and show they actually listen to consumers instead of generating profits then it will be a DS and an Xbox1 for me. ( I never played Xbox or 360). I can use the DS for "party games" (wi-fi) and use my Xbox1 and splincell (vc?) for a more hardcore experience. Nobody even plays the wii in my house anymore... I hope it improves soon.
Quote: "Son, sometimes you have to realize a bad investment when you see one and cut your losses."
Movie-Van Wilder
Happy shopping! These games are not for me. Hope someone enjoys Dk3 and NC

@ el cabarto: lol that was a really funny story, nice job.
@Andrew and firebrand: Thanks for the information on where the convention is being held. Too bad it is all the way in Los Angeles, I don't think I can make the trip to there from New York, oh well. Also, the reason the amount of people attending the convention dropped is because E3 and E for All split up and made two seperate conventions of their own. I guess that is why the size dropped greatly.

"I don't think Ninty has much going on there"

There was this rumour i saw on Nintendo Life awhile ago
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2008/04/this_is_a_pretty_hearty_rumour_ds_2_at_e3

Also, Reggie said about a game at E3. Look at this
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2008/03/reggie_big_game_coming_this_christmas

There's bound to be some big things from Nintendo, these could be some of them.

I know that this post has nothing to do with this article but I just had to tell somebody.

Ooh the Fire Emblem DS website just went live! (I'd post the link but i'm on my Wii Right now, if you want the story just go to http://www.gamesradar.com and look under News)

El Cabarto, your story makes me laugh.

Yes, very funny El Cabarto. I'd like to see more of your obituary's on here

@ Mr. Cheez : I found that out on www.nintendoland.com. It is a pretty cool site to check out and they also have a Mario fanboy test to see how much you love mario, I got 33% which means that mario is my way of life.

I'm going to stay positive and say that Ninty gave us 2 VC this week, even if neither interest me. We'll see when it comes to MLE:TG, but...

Haha, the European talk started before I chipped in

Similarly, I wasn't expecting much due to E3 - more peoples' anticipation is on Nintendo's conference tomorrow morning than other current affairs. You got the wish of another Nintendo game at least, but I wasn't expecting Donkey Kong 3 up there.

Whichever, just looking at the pose of Stanley above makes me think that he's still spiritually alive today, but in a different form - Mr. Game and Watch.

@Alfred E. Neuman
Okay dude, let me clarify my comment. I meant that the Donkey Kong series is a classic, but this game is pretty average. Heh, every game series has a dark sheep, and Donkey Kong 3 is the dark sheep for the classic NES Donkey Kong games. Oh yeah, I would consider buying Ninja Commando before Donkey Kong 3, but neither really interests me.

I'm just more upbeat this week because at least we got 2 games. Those 1 game VC weeks blew chunks!

By the way, nice to see you Rexy!

Hmmmm

I thought we would get Art of Fighting 2. Egh...

If it's going to be a NeoGeo overhead shooter, I'd rather play Guerrilla War. Even the NES port of that was pretty fun to play co-op.

That's not so much a complaint as it is simple commentary. I've lowered my expectations for the VC, in order to make the pleasant surprises that much more exciting.

Darn, there goes my imaginary 10 bucks.

Ahh, makes sense Mike

I heard E3 is all Press as well, they changed it last year I think. Isn't it gonna take place in Santa Monica?

P.S - Any one know if Jackal is ever gona come out for NES?

It wasn't a really popular game, I dont think, but co-op is pretty fun

I'm not interested in either of these titles, but at least we have more than one to choose from this week.

Meh, at least we got two games.

I'm expecting europe will get DK3 this week. I don't think they're doing the WiiWare only weeks anymore since we got two VC games last week.

I'm telling you guys, don't overlook Ninja Commando. It's a fun shooter.

Well, I'm reading the IGN live blog covering the Microsoft E3 conference right now, and it looks like they completely copied Nintendo. The Xbox 360 is getting their own mii avatars! And oddly enough, the Mii ripoffs are being created by Rare.

"and now we have the XBOX Virtual Console which will bring you classic Microsoft hits such as Solitare, Hearts, and Mindsweeper"

Wow, the conference ended with Square Enix saying that Final Fantasy XIII is no longer PS3-exclusive. Ouch!

@ deadly.by.design & Alfred E. Newman

Guerrilla War! Jackal! Boy did I play those as a kid! I think I even overheated the Guerrilla War cartridge once for playing something like 6-7 hours in a row
I'd love to see those come to VC. I wish Nintendo would find a way to recompile these games and add online multiplay. Hmmm online multiplay Guerrilla War (don't think it feasible, but hey, I can dream)

@Alfred E. Newman: Right on, bro. Jackal was one of my favorite games when I was young, and if available, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Donkey Kong 3 was a nice surprise!

2 games, a first party one, and a neat NeoGeo game that isnt a fighter OR on the upcoming compilation (thus getting rid of two major reasons everyone complained about the last few NeoGeo games) makes this a pretty cool week.

@ Andrew #67

Wow Microsoft just confirmed "Avatars" now, I found out about all of Microsoft's E3 secrets about a month ago thanks to some database hackers and coverage by GamesRadar, Have they confirmed the "Newton" controller (wiimote clone) yet?

@PHANTOM93: No, i didn't see any mention of it at the conference. I've seen pics, though. Man, that thing looks just like a lightsaber.

That link that Terranigma posted regarding a new Wii accessory isn't just a rumor. It has been confirmed by Nintendo. Its called MotionPlus, and it is supposed to allow more accurate motion response than the standard Wiimote.

for more info on motion plus visit Nintendo's web site and read the announcement.

@phantom93

The Microsoft Wiimote clone is actually by Motus, a 3rd party developer and not Microsoft. it's also called a Darwin.

Hmmm, they must have renamed it because when I read the article it referred to the controller as the Newton, oh well this isn't the first time a product has been renamed

Edit: When I read the article it never stated that the controller was made by Microsoft, I just assumed that something that high profile would be 1st party

And it certainly won't be the last

@Corbie. You can be happy for me! I downloaded NC a few hours ago and I'm enjoying it quite a lot.
I'm still trying to get used to the controls though. (shooting w/ the 1 button on the Wiimote just doesn't feel right.)

@Andrew. So FFXIII ISN'T ps3- exclusive now? Yes! now I have even LESS incentive to buy one! Go 360!

If we get at least one of those Turbographx import games Hudson promised us next week, or another game for the N64, SNES, or Master System, I'll be really happy!

Cheez, you need to invest in a classic controller for anything other than NES/TG16 I think. For Megadrive and Neo Geo it ain't so hot. I am digging Ninja Commando. I missed this one at the time. Its bad ass!

@Mr. Cheez: Yep, FFXIII will be on 360 also. The PS3's list of AAA exclusives is growing thin.

The Square Enix announcement was the only event that saved Microsoft's conference from being completely lackluster, imo.

@Dazza. Actually, I've played my Genesis games just fine with a single wii remote. (though the awkwardly-placed A button gets on my nerves sometimes, especially when playing something like Gunstar Heroes ). Though I agree, the bottons on the Classic controller are much more snappy, responsive, and better-arranged. I was just to lazy to plug it in!

And yes NC is quite the badassery.

I like this week. I always like seeing classic NES games come out. We got a good Neo Geo game and we got 2 VC games this week.

Two games, well, I got my wish. We got a total of three games this week on the Wii Shop Channel and I am pleased with that. I don't believe I shall be getting these games, but hey, I had two choices. Now, Nintendo only has to make sure this two-a-week thing lasts or improves from here. Good week.

I had some extra spending money so I bought Beyond Oasis instead today. Hasn't been a bad choice so far.

Now on to WiiWare World to attack Major League Eating before a review comes up.

@Firebrand

Nintendo shouldn't be done releasing their early Nes games yet. They didn't released 10 yard fight, Golf, Clu Clu Land, Kung Fu and Pro Wrestling.

The Square Enix announcement was the only event that saved Microsoft's conference from being completely lackluster, imo.

I guess Im just struck with E3 fever then because I enjoyed seeing the new Banjo-Kazooie and Rare stuff, Portal: Still Alive, that new camera game, Banjo-Kazooie XBLA, and of course Lips.

That was just the best part of the conference right there when they went "Presenting the legendary creator of Elite Beat Agents"

E3 always gives me an ulcer when it comes around. I've always enjoyed hearing the innovations, but there is that little voice in my head that always reminds me there's going to be a larger hole in my wallet in the future. The MotionPlus- while cool- is killing my dreams of saving a little money. The announcement of Banjo XBLA doesn't help my cholesterol either. I knew it was coming but gah...

Speaking of Elite Beat Agents, why isn't there a sequel out for it yet? It really deserves one.

Speaking of the obscure hero, he looks to be Mr. Game & Watch in his early, more fleshy years.

I got Donkey Kong 3 for the E-Reader anyways so I don't care. Even if I got to use a clunky thing and swipe cards and I think it came out on a Game & Watch Gallery which I got them all.

I can't believe also that the Major League Eating Competition game came out today.

The G&W Donkey Kong 3 is completely different from the arcade and NES version. Also, it sucks.

Donkey Kong 3 is not a classic. People need to stop saying that. Just because a game is old doesn't mean it's a classic.

Yeah, there's a difference between classic, and ancient.

Speaking of Elite Beat Agents, why isn't there a sequel out for it yet? It really deserves one.

I figure they were swapping. Ouendan 1 in 05, EBA in 06, Ouendan 2 in 07. I myself thought thered be an EBA 2 announcement this year, but a recent interview with the guy said hed love to do another one and that he wasnt currently working on one. Hopefully it was just a cover up though as to not reveal secret plans. Unless Nintendo decided to make a sequel without iNiS involvement, which I super doubt.

I can't believe also that the Major League Eating Competition game came out today.

Well what did you expect? It had to come sooner or later.

@Jogurt the Yogurt
The Donkey Kong series however is a classic, even though Donkey Kong 3 is not. Maybe some people actually like the game.

And besides, you said Dig Dug was a classic a couple of weeks back and I think that there isn't anything special about that game. It's good, but certainly isn't a classic.

@Virus
And here is pure stupidity by Nintendo. They had a chance to get Goldeneye, plus other Rare classics but they said no because they didn't want the 360 to have them. So now Microsoft remakes Banjo-Kazooie slightly and bam they get the game for Xbox Live and Nintendo doesn't get squat for the VC. Way to take care of your customers Nintendo!

Ha! I just read that game called Sadness isn't coming until Aug. of 2009... I thought this game was going to be one of the first games released for Wii... 2yrs ago! oof! looks like Ninty did it again... another gimmick at E3, maybe they should have just made the wiimote that way in the first place instead of making it an "add-on" 2 yrs later. My Wii is starting to look like my Karaoke machine in that it only gets used when I have friends over and even then my K-machine gets more use. After two yrs and about 1000$ I am not impressed, in fact I have been a fanboy for more than 15 years so I have been patient for sure but now the time has come for Wii to go... maybe I'll kick myself later (but I highly doubt it.) Never played XBOX1w/splincell mod (vc?) and graphics are far better also AAA titles can be found for less than 15$. (im trading for DS and Xbox1 and still gonna have 100$ for games) Good luck waiting for all the games. I'm done trying to pay NINTY for what I already can get for free. (elink)
Guess im the loser but it takes one to know one 'cough' NINTY 'cough'
Peace out Y'all and don't believe the hype!

I just hope that vc releases dont go down (both; on quality & quantity) again before this small progress with many people satisfied and almost no complainments this Monday (this has happened countless times before). I dont care that much about Wii Ware (there are not good enough titles JUST speakin' FOR ME)

this is the friendliest US VC release announcement we've had in a long time. - claps hands -

Yeah, well done. But it's not over yet - torch fires and pitchforks might arise if Nintendo screw up their E3 conference this morning.

After Microsoft's big E3 announcement (FFXIII), I already plan on buying a 360 sometime this year.
But hopefully Nintendo doesn't disappoint.

So far I've heard we'll be seeing Wii-motion, and they'll unveil Wii Music.
Wii-motion seems pretty interesting, but I don't know if I care too much for Wii Music. So hopefully that's not the "hardcore game" Nintendo was talking about.

Has anyone noticed that while talking about E3, most people are mentioning games and new features but what about channels? Any new ones been rumoured or announced?

They'd better announce a game that uses the MotionPlus thing. I'm thinking some kind of short Zelda action game.

Wii Music and the DS version of Mystery Case Files: MillionHeir will be at E3. Expect Kirby, Animal Crossing and Wario Land as well. Also, i hear Pilotwings might re-emerge as well as F-Zero, Star Fox, Punch Out!! and Kid Icarus.

Oh, and Project H.A.M.M.E.R as well as that's rumored to be reappearing

@Mike: Dig Dug is most definitly a classic. There's a REASON Namco throws it on pretty much every cmpilation they make - it's extremely popular.

@Mike - As I said, just because something is old doesn't mean it's a classic. I'll now add that just because some people like it and some people don't doesn't mean something is a classic. Classic games are generally successful games that have had an impact on the industry/history of gaming. Barely anyone even knew about DK3 back in its day. Sure, it was a sequel to a classic game (DK), but that doesn't make it classic. Super Mario Sunshine is not classic, for example. Dig Dug is a classic because it was yet another pioneer of inventive arcade gameplay (kind of like how Qbert is a classic even though you don't see it around much these days).

Super Mario Sunshine is a shell to what it could have been.

@Terranigma: I completely agree. My problem with Super Mario Sunshine is that there isn't enough variety in the different worlds. They all have the same "tropical" theme, whereas Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy have SO many different themes.

Also, The FLUDD is very lame.

FLUDD was lame and your right, there wasn't enough variety. Thank goodness Galaxy out things right

Galaxy was terrific.

Nintendo's E3 conference starts in about 5 minutes. Fingers crossed for big news!

Well, there were 2 high points in the conference:

1. Animal Crossing: City Folk for the Wii
2. Wii Sports Resort

Other than that, I felt the conference was a letdown.

Oh my.
The conference was terrible.
We already knew about Animal Crossing. Other than that, we have NOTHING to look forward to.
Thanks Nintendo.
Glad I'm buying a 360.

@Jogurt the Yogurt
Great you think Dig Dug is a classic, I don't! If you cared to read any of my earlier posts, I said that I think Donkey Kong 3 is not a classic game. I was basically saying that the Donkey Kong series as a whole is a classic. I would consider games like Castlevania or Mega Man 2 to be classic games before I would consider Dig Dug one.

You were expecting to much guys, okay, nothing really new. I expected at least some more info about Wario Land Wii, but I guess goes on with releasing infos bout games during the year shortly before they are released, but I think that sowrd game's nice =D

To bad they didn't confirm a storage solution...

What do you think about BK XBLA Remake? Is it the End for BK on VC or the renaissance, since the main issue for games not coming to VC was that remakes would be allowed to go to XBLA or new games won't be made for Wii?

@Bensei
Read my Post #95. It's all Nintendo's fault.

No storage solution.
No new "hardcore" game like they promised.

Instead, we got 1:1 motion that developers won't use until 2010.
And a mic that won't be utilized for games that are already out, like Brawl and Mario Kart.

To say their conference was a disappointment would be an understatement.

I didn't expect the press conference to be that bad. No Kid Icarus. Matt Casamassina is an idiot!

Indeed, Matt C. is guaranteed to get a swift kick in the balls from a few Nintendo fanboys.

I thought Nintendo might have arranged things so M$ gets a remake and Nintendo the N64 version, if they didn't or do not in the future, they are jerks...

Even if they did arrange a deal like that, Nintendo wouldn't announce it because they are jerks and they want to keep any announcements VC related a secret.

Nintendo really let me down there. What happened and, yes, where was the "Hardcore" game? Surely, Wii Sports Resort or Animal crossing couldn't have been it.

I will be happy if Factor 5 or some other developer reveal a Kid Icarus game to us

I wouldn't call Animal Crossing a "high point" - that expects you to literally play the game ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME and it penalises you for every day you completely skip it. I don't have the time to constantly check up on a virtual town or something.

But yeah, that IS a disappointment. I suppose we have to rely on whatever strong releases the third parties could come up with to keep the system going strong.

It was GTA, and as I said, I guess Nintendo will release games during the year without telling, like with Wario land, I first heard about it in June, and it's coming end July in japan

Sega i think are having a conference so expect stuff from them

GTA? You have got to be kidding me Bensei

It was the only hardcore game I could think of... Or Guitar Hero, but surely the Hardcore game was not one of Nintendo's

Wanna see the title of Nintendo's conference?
Wii Love Casual Gamers

I mean seriously, nobody can even defend them anymore.
Not one great game was announced besides AC, which we already knew about.
Then Reggie has the nerve to say, "How can hardcore gamers be unhappy?"
Aww heyyll nooo.

You'd think they could have at least given us a demonstration of Fatal Frame 4! When is that game coming out!?

Just face it, Nintendo really does hate us.
They'd be much happier if their hardcore audience moved to another console, and casuals continued buying the Wii like hotcakes.

they're focusing more on the ds than anything

still, animal crossing with voice chat seems awesome

(sigh) A lack of hardcore games from Nintendo has once again caused members of this site to be upset (myself included). Oh well, least everyone who's upset at nintendo's E3 conference is agreeing with each other

I still wouldn't call GTA "hardcore" by any means. Sure, it has an 18 rating, but the subject matter of screwing up the law makes it the most childish game in existance.

True hardcore is something that tests the reflexes of the gamer in question, rather than its outer shell. Thus, concerning us Nintendo gamers, who needs GTA to make themselves "look cool" when we have at least Fire Emblem to "feel cool", among others that have escaped from my head?

It's not all doom and gloom for hardcore gamers (yet), Reggie said he had another announcement that he was going to make in a few days

Hopefully they'll make Wii Speak work with Guitar Hero: World Tour. Animal Crossing and Wii Sports Resort will be awesome.

When did Reggie say anything about an announcement?
He just said they'd be showing off the games we already know about within the next few days. ie. Call of Duty, The Conduit, etc.
There is no more announcements guys.

Face it, Nintendo just slapped us all in the face.

You know a conference is lame when Nintendo's lone "hardcore" game was Animal Crossing...

Animal Crossing, as I mentioned above, isn't even much of a game to begin with - sure, anyone can pick up and play it, but it becomes even more tedious once it gets to the point that you have to play it every single day just to save your town from looking like a mess. Trust me; I attempted to go through it, only to get stumped after a few months due to this >.>

I at least appreciate the premise of it, but given that I'm one of those that prefer to play games at my own pace, I'd rather look into Harvest Moon if I want a life-type game of some description.

Rexy- Animal Crossing is all we have right now. It's the only great Nintendo game on the horizon.
So run, before you get attacked by the plethora of AC-lovers.

Although I did enjoy the original Animal Crossing when it came out, Rexy is absolutely right. The game makes you feel guilty for missing a day, and if you don't play it for a week, you end up spending the next day or two picking up weeds.

As bad as the Wii lineup was, the DS offerings were just as lacking.

@ x.SuperMario.x #135

Reggie didn't say an outright announcement but he did say that there would be an advantage to "feel" later this week (whatever that means), also Nintendo is having a private conference tomorrow so there is still (some) hope that Nintendo's hardcore game isn't Animal Crossing

@Andrew

"As bad as the Wii lineup was, the DS offerings were just as lacking."

At least the DS still has some great third party games coming out for it this year. Still, I would have liked an announcement concerning Fire Emblem DS.

They should've gave some news about Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. That game would've blown AC out of the water. A release date would be nice right now.

Edit: Turns out there is a release date. Whoops.

@ fireband

If you look at my first comment (#51) it says that the Fire Emblem DS website went live

@PHANTOM93

"If you look at my first comment (#51) it says that the Fire Emblem DS website went live"

Yeah, but that's the Japanese website. I want information on a North American release.

Glorified tech demos, even more peripherals and a DS port made for a pretty lame E3 from Nintendo and at the moment their fall line-up looks pretty lackluster. Thankfully (and I never thought I'd say this) there are a lot of third party Wii titles that I'm excited about.

PHANTOM93- It's just more speculation.
Face it, Nintendo promised us core titles, and they didn't deliver.
Maybe one day they'll care, but it won't be this week.

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!
shouldnt rexy and the americans be fighting??
awwww dissapointing news post.... vc-reviews let me down!

Nintendo might showing a lack of effort intentionally. They may have a press conference during the fall like they did last year..

Other Game Companies might be looking The TGS to show their full hand. The TGS takes place in October. The TGS is becoming a more important event then E3 is right now.

E3 doesn't have as much luster as it did a couple years ago. E3 is on the decline and is starting to turn into a joke. I expect even less companies being at e3 next year.

Some top videogame publishers or developers didn't show up at e3 this year like Activision. There was less publishers or developers at E3 this then there was last year. That is telling me E3 is not as important in the Video game industry as it was a couple years ago.

Nintendo doesn't attend TGS.
So what are you talking about?

I'm starting to get kind of pissed at how much people love to complain, no ones ever satisfied, at one time people were b*tching about how Wii never had voice chat (I was among this group) and now that it's there, people are disappointed about E3 and aren't just grateful. Jesus, I'm starting to think it's not totally Nintendo's fault.

@ Dokenzz- Are you leading damage control?
Nintendo promised at least one hardcore title at E3.
Could you please name that hardcore title?
Because I didn't see it.

EVERYONE thought Nintendo had a disappointing E3, so don't cry about how people are upset.
Nintendo gave people a promise, and they didn't deliver.
As for the mic, Nintendo hasn't even said if it'll be compatible with games already released, so keep your pants on.

But you can keep pretending Nintendo loves you.

Wanna know whats funny though?
When something disappoints everybody, two kinds of people emerge.
There's the people that openly share their disappointment with others.
Then there's the people who try to be the "bigger person", and they tell everyone to shut up, when they're really crying on the inside.

Anyone who tries to defend Nintendo's E3 conference is part of that second group.
You can pretend it didn't hurt you, but I know you feel like you've been kicked in the nuts.

@x.SuperMario.x
Satoru Iwata was at the TGS in 2005. He revealed the Nintendo Wii's Controller there during his keynote speech.

Nintendo does have different press events though outside of E3. Last year was a prime example. They used that press conference to announce Wiiware games during the fall of 2007. I know Nintendo used to have Space world as an event.

I got the mixed up by Nintendo's Wiiware game announcements last fall. The TGS happened a couple weeks prior to that.

When you hit my age, you will start to mix up facts a little bit over time or need help to remember things. I am not using this excuse as damage control. It is a fact.

I am older then most members responding vc news stories. I remembered the Snes launch release in 1991 as a teen.

I have a lot of things to remember that are not video game related.

Well, at least we now know why the Virtual Console has been so lackluster these past few months.

@Dokenzz: I kind of was satisfied, but I do hope something like Advance Wars last E3 pops up this time

supermario, theres the 3rd kind of person, the kind that generalise!

7th lutz... does that make you like 30! wow that old, i cant believe you even know what the "intra web" is

http://wii.ign.com/articles/890/890200p1.html
They ARE working on a new Zelda, but I guess they don't want to trow out things too early, since it seems the process is far beyond completion

Well of course, there are people who try to find the good in everything.
But nobody cares about them.

As for Zelda....
Well duh.
Did anyone think they weren't going to make another Zelda?
No.
So I'm not sure why everyone is so happy about this.
Miyamoto said Zelda developers are working on Zelda.
Awesome, in other news, the sun rose today, and China is still communist.

Actually, Miyamoto might be the only man in the world that could of gotten away with that.
If Sony just showed up and said their Killzone developers are working on Killzone, and didn't offer a trailer or playable demo, don't you think some Sony fanboy would kick the Sony VP right in the face? I sure think so.

@Mike — I didn't say Castlevania and Mega Man 2 aren't classics. They are. Just like Dig Dug and Donkey Kong 1.

As for the rest of this off-topic E3 whining: you guys are dumb.

I've heard some of you mention TGS but when is it?

If you read all the articles about IGN asking Miyamato questions "behind the scenes" he practically confirms Kid Icarus Wii, he just says that he's not running the project or something so he can't talk about it. I can't remember his exact words, but it was along those lines.

The other things ok, but I don't believe what IGN is believing about a new Kid Icarus or Mario Galaxy, he just said "I can't say anything about kid Icarus" and at Galaxy "Leave it to me" what sounded to me more like a "Let me decide if the next Matio game plays in the universe or at the Peach"

@159. Terranigma

TGS happens this year from October 9th to October 12th.

@Jogurt the Yogurt
I wasn't saying that you said Castlevania and Mega Man 2 weren't classics, I was just using them as an example of what I thought was a classic. Let's just leave it like this, you think Dig Dug is a classic, and I don't. Done.

Meanwhile, I agree with you that all of the E3 whinning is really dumb. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it nowadays, since it's a shell of what it used to be.

Off topic Jogart, what is your avatar of? Is that Monty Mole?

@Jogurt the Yogurt
When I first played shining force, i thought that if i leveled up Jogurt he would evolve into this like grizzly bear thing haha (don't ask why I thought that) However...I just got that stupid ring

would any one like to see Gyromite released on the VC?????

@Jogurt the Yogurt

"As for the rest of this off-topic E3 whining: you guys are dumb."

I wouldn't say it's off-topic. The E3 press conference showed us that Nintendo no longer cares about its core audience. They're making so much money off the casual gamers that they don't need us anymore. How can we expect Nintendo to take the Virtual Console seriously when they're so focused on the casual market?

@ firebrand- Couldn't have said it better myself.
But being called dumb, by someone who considers Dig Dug a classic, doesn't seem all that bad.